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The American Civil War, was fought to protect the institution of slavery. The defenders of slavery included economics, history, religion, legality, social good, and even humanitarianism, to further their arguments.

Role of the Pan Yard - Pan Trinbago Speaks states that:

“Steel bands were developed mostly amongst people of the underprivileged and depressed communities by young men who seldom had opportunities to improve their lives…”

“In the Pan yard is where a lot of youths developed their social skills. Other than learning to play the instrument, they learn music, how to arrange music, some learn to make the instruments, some learn welding and fabricating and many other career driven skills: at whose expense?  “The Pan Yards are not a place of children exploitation as maliciously introduced by some of our social media scientists, but a place of children development and learning. It is a place of social, cultural, spiritual and educational activities. The parents appreciate the accomplishment and progress they see in their children after a short stint at the pan yard  and are very proud to see them on the panorama stage or any stage for that matter, and are quite satisfied with their children's achievements coming out of the Pan Yard. And they keep sending them, realizing that there is some technique in the Pan Yard that the schools don't possess.”

Defenders of slavery argued:

"Taking Africans actually benefited them. They argued that African societies and cultures were unskilled, uneducated and savage. For example, Michael Renwick Sergant, a merchant from Liverpool claimed: ‘We ought to consider whether the negroes in a well regulated plantation, under the protection of a kind master, do not enjoy as great, nay, even greater advantages…”

Defenders of slavery argued that slaves were better cared for. They said that their owners would protect and assist them, as they were left to fend helplessly for themselves in their homeland. That the institution was divine. Slavery was, according to this argument, a good thing for the enslaved.

Thomas Roderick Dew (1802–1846) was an economist, professor of law, and president of the College of William and Mary. His influential Pro-Slavery Argument offers theological, historical, and political evidence in a point-by-point refutation of the anti-slavery arguments of his day. In Dew's view, the relation between master and slave rivaled that between a parent and child. According to Dew, threats to security and prosperity came from strangers and lunatics who did not understand that love bound slaves to their masters

Role of the Pan Yard - Pan Trinbago Speaks states that:

Some parents in the communities use the Pan Yard as a day care center by dropping off their children for a few hours, knowing fully well, that they are in a safe and clean environment, equipped with instruments of learning, water, lights, toilets and toiletries, all free of charge. “

Defenders of slavery argued;

Never before has the black race of Central Africa, from the dawn of history to the present day, attained a condition so civilized and so improved, not only physically, but morally and intellectually. (John C. Calhoun)

Conclusion.

The Rant of A Madman defending the continued practice of child labor, where an institution existing since The UN General Assembly met for the first time, seems unwilling to want to attract active adult involvement, as children are not aware of the requirements of transparency, accountability and democracy exclaims in one breath:

 “Have any of you social media rabble rousers, ever looked at the cost of maintaining a Steel band and its facilities through the year? Do any of you know the cost of mobilizing a small unsponsored Steel band (Why can’t philanthropic community service and goodwill for over three score and ten years attract a sponsor?) for the Panorama? Do you know the kind of sacrifice some leaders make because of love and commitment for the Culture? Most of us are addicted to the arts and money is not the main factor, but, we are fully aware of the value of our contribution to the nation's stability and the returns to the treasury coming out of the national festival.” (Many pro-slavery campaigners played on paranoia about empire and indicated that the prosperity of the British Navy, the merchant navy and the Caribbean itself all depended on slavery. Destroy this slavery, they argued, and the British Empire would collapse), and without skipping a beat, or a paragraph unashamedly and disgracefully exclaims in the same breath, “So, of course there are legitimate expectations.” What are those legitimate expectations, asks this social media rabble rouser, this newbie, who may have attended some school of higher learning and left with five stack of papers?

The author of those contradictory foregoing thoughts, as the British would exclaim, IS AS BENT AS A NINE BOB NOTE”.

 

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Russell....

Simply put....I completely concur..Well done and most of all, thank you.

Russell,

I've said it time and time again.  It is clearly obvious that you were never a Pan Trinbago spy or anything like that.  Look how eloquently you put your points across and shot down all of the PRO's views.  Two completely different writing styles and viewpoints.  Thank you for returning to the forum.

Would also like to acknowledge Oswald Alexander, Merrytonestothebones, Gregory Lindsay, Aquil and those unknown to us, for doing their part as unsung heroes, LEADERS in their communities, bringing to light some of the social benefits the youths receive in their Panyards.

“In the Pan yard is where a lot of youths developed their social skills. Other than learning to play the instrument, they learn music, how to arrange music, some learn to make the instruments, some learn welding and fabricating and many other career driven skills: at whose expense?  “The Pan Yards are not a place of children exploitation as maliciously introduced by some of our social media scientists, but a place of children development and learning. It is a place of social, cultural, spiritual and educational activities. The parents appreciate the accomplishment and progress they see in their children after a short stint at the pan yard and are very proud to see them on the panorama stage or any stage for that matter, and are quite satisfied with their children's achievements coming out of the Pan Yard. And they keep sending them, realizing that there is some technique in the Pan Yard that the schools don't possess.”

The Panyard being a foundation for learning/training, how much is focused on their CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, how many are encourage to stay POSITIVE and CONTRIBUTE to the development of the steelband movement???

What systems are in place to further enhance their development, music scholarships, leadership training, options to pursue career paths of their choice???

  

 

Sounds like the author is conflating child labour an pan playing.

Do you think that being in a panyard is the same thing as being forced to labour?

No one is forced to do anything in a panyard. Children and adults alike go to a panyard to not only learn to play the pan, some panyards offer music courses in general and even the opportunity to learn to play other instruments.

Additionally they learn various social skills such as team work, leadership, respect for authority and for others. They learn that all are equal regardless of race or colour or religion or party affiliation.

The panyard is a place of positive vibes, a place where children feel welcome and are cared for sometimes even more than they are at home and certainly better than they would be if left on their own to learn the ways of the street.

Anyone trying to create malice by making it seem that children are being exploited as pannists or even visitors to panyard, needs to have their heads examined and those who agree with that sentiment should also take a close look at themselves.

Other than seemingly equating pan playing with slavery, I'm not sure what the point of the article was.

Anybody who looks at a pan yard and thinks "child labor" and now "slavery" should probably find a new interest and, incidentally, shouldn't be the one leveling epithets like "madman" at others. 

Any time I go to this forum I am sadly reminded why I usually stay away. Not enough positive civil discussion but plenty of unhinged ranting that goes nowhere. Yet still, panorama time I find myself coming here for the scoop, and I'm sorry for those who are new to pan and come here through a search. 

People lament how there are so many members of WST but only a handful of contributors; just think of a subway car with one screaming lunatic and 59 other people looking down and staying quiet. I hate posting because it's like looking up, I might make eye contact. WST has a great media reputation/presence but frankly this forum has become a blight...

A "blight" on whom? Why are you yelling Noah? LOL Just joking...

I disagree with you. I find that folks on WST have a found a way to disagree, fight, raise your blood pressure, give concussions, communicate, educate and even ignore each other from time to time. Some of the most thoughtful, serious, humorous, interesting and radical thinking pops up here. Everyone is "friends" here. Yes you too Noah.

Now facebook, instagram and twitter - that's a dangerous place. Folks really hate each other over there. You can't even call someone a madman over-there without someone un-friending you or un-inviting you to the Christmas party. LMAO

But seriously, the real live history that people bring to the table even if they post once every five years is second to to none on the forum.

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Noah, why did you say the forum has become a "blight" blight is a funny word to use, whatever it is  you are a part of it because you are here now. Maybe you can contribute one topic a week and lets see if we can encourage a few more to post

Mr Hinkson:

Sir, in using the word ‘blight’, perhaps the gentleman (Noah) simply means that to him, the forum has become frustrating. I think he’s entitled, don’t you?

He also uses the term ‘unhinged ranting’ which has such a euphonic ring to it. I must remember that phrase. This gentleman is endearing.

Now, let’s move on to more serious matters. You have requested that he contributes one topic a week. At our age, ooopps, I mean at my age, Cecil, it takes me almost 2 weeks to fully read and comprehend ONE topic. C’mon mannnnn.
You may want to rescind that request.

Regarding the topic heading, it appears now that if a child (under 18?) plays pan in a band for Panorama and practises during the pre-Panorama season with said band that is considered child labour. I honestly did not realize that! And I sincerely apologize to anyone who may have felt offended otherwise, by any of my past responses to this forum.

I refer to the following past posting (link below) where many were up in arms because a 13-year old was dismissed from his Panorama position.
You must remember that imbroglio, Cecil.
That was the year when some band played some ‘happiness,’ while another won, which was ‘unquestionable’. 

To be honest, however, I still stand now, by my position then.

http://whensteeltalks.ning.com/forum/topics/social-media-backlash-t...

Peter it is always ah de light, NOT ah blight, when you visit the forum, I know you always observe what's going on and appreciate the comment.

Noah knows it's just a few people who try to keep things going here, this is why I find his critique a bit strong. It's only when more members contribute things will get better, at the same time we have to give props the those who keep things rolling daily.

I find this "Child Labour" ting chuppid, that's all I can say about that. I remember the time Boogsie kick out the lil boy, that was cruel, maybe that's why All Stars rough him up that year.

Ah only hope allyuh remember anytime they try to pigeon- hole Boogsie the next year he come out to kick ass, so look out.

Personally , I think that this "child Labor exploitation " thing is a huge distraction from the real issues facing the steelband in T&T.

Since the large , hundred plus steelbands are only used in panorama competition , the use of kids in steelbands is necessitated by the demands of panorama , so the question needs be asked, is panorama a business for financial gain , or a cultural activity?

A business would be geared towards profit , and their should be little if any government interference or support.

In business , therefore , work conditions , wages etc. are issues , and the issue of child labor becomes valid.

If it is a government sponsored cultural event , then how can we then limit participation only to adults , or consider participation in such an event as "labor" , whether it involves children or not?

You touch on something else there: steelbands and the demands of panorama on playership.

Why are so many steelbands in panorama if there apparently aren't enough players? Between the conventional categories, the competition narrows down to 34 finalists (10 large, 10 medium, 14 small). If that's considered narrowed down, imagine how many bands are fighting for players in the rounds before.

Maybe it's time to go back to a finals of a dozen large bands and a half dozen small. Who knows, with a smaller panorama maybe bands will be freed up to go back on the road. I just hope no innocent children are coerced into the hard labor of pushing a rack!

Noah - How much you paying to push them racks? I will only push racks for "my band".

You hit the nail on the head. There are simply too many bands at the Panorama level in Trinidad and Tobago.

It doesn't make economic sense to have so many bands. Simply impossible to sustain interest at this current level. I think in the last 20 years only Supernovas has generated serious interest and shown success as a new band.

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