Is there such a thing as an OVER-ARRANGED panorama arrangement? Is there a point when the music stops being sweet? How would an arranger know he crossed that point? How does the listener know that threshold has been crossed?
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Maybe over-arranged is too vague a term...what if we were to use a more specific term like: DENSE
Is this section so "dense" that it disconnects the listener? Dense can mean:
-chord structure is too thick sometimes causing a muddy sound
-more than 3 independent melodies occurring at the same time causing alarming harmonic situations
-too much movement in the bass pans bogging down music
Granted each one of the above can be appropriate in the right situation as well. Does anybody know of arrangements when each of these situations worked? and when it did not?
Check out this analysis I did of some pan music. Maybe if you can follow it, it can help you focus your listening attention.
This was Pan Sonatas in '08 or '09
https://whensteeltalks.ning.com/forum/topics/sonatas-steel-orchestra...
This link is New Dimension out of Grenada playing Pan in A minor.
https://whensteeltalks.ning.com/forum/topics/new-dimension-pan-in-a-...
There is such a thing as an over arranged panorama piece , where the music stops being sweet and becomes confused and lost..most recent was last years Brooklyn's panorama finals '' Andrea White's piece for the band adlib and his arrangement for the trinidad band Sforzata both last year.got so lost..i choosed him because he is well educated in the field of music and is growing but got lost in '' my ear '' as i was tring to follow verse melody and chorus,,, not everyone could be a Bradley, Jit or Boogsie, but what an arranger can be is a good listener and know how to interpret the tune he is working with and how to play in and around the actual melody of that song.. those who don't arrange don't know how hard it becomes to put together ''10 mins of music for a panorama competition and after awhile you just don't know what direction to go in.. putting ah little bit of this and that ,,like cooking food and you over season and it just taste bad.......
Hmm well...First...his name is Andre White.. If you know the song "Wild and Free" (original song that is) you would hear the phrase "Wild and Free" (original song that is) all over that song. "Wine if yuh winein, wild and free" is all over the arrangement listen to the intro,variation,jam,minor,ending jam its there. There are bands in the top 3 in Trinidad panorama which I am always lost but I go buy the CD and listen over and over and over, sometimes it helps. If you say you dont understand his style say so I understand that cause his style is very new. If you would like I can assist in helping you to understand what i am saying. Try listening to Andre White's arrangement in London which he won this year. (keep in mind "ah like how trini does wok wok wok wok wok") its all over the song.
Could you over cook a rice till it does not taste like rice any more So many ingredients i dont know what i am eating
Interesting view points guys. There are several arrangements I listened to recently and always felt like the "musicalness" was "too much." I know this would be a sticking point for many, because persons can easily conclude that I am simple minded, or non-musical, or do not know how to listen to blah, blah blah...
But honestly, there are certain elements in arrangements that always will make a listener go "oh yes" or "dat nice" or "ya hear dat" etc. etc. etc. Most of the time when those comments are made, the music at that point is always VERY SIMPLE. Crowds love SIMPLE and SWEET...scholars understand complicated...also, simple + sweet does not mean mediocre. Look out for arrangements that achieve simple and sweet without being mediocre...