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Large Bands moving on to 2012 Panorama Finals - Official Results

Large Bands moving on to 2012 Panorama Finals  

1 Phase II Pan Groove 268
1 Trinidad All Stars 268
3 Silver Stars 263
4 Exodus 262
5 Renegades 254
6 Redemption Sound Setters 253
7 Fonclaire 250
7 Harmonites 250
7 Tropical Angel Harps 250
10 Invaders

246

10 Siparia Deltones 246

Click for full results in the 2012 Large Conventional Steel Orchestra Semi-Finals rounds

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Personally, I have no problem whatsoever with the judges. my problem is with the concept of judging panorama.

Has anyone stopped to consider what the judge is trying to do?

First you have to listen to all these "pan calypso" tunes and get the feel of them, so that you can understand what the arranger is trying to do.Pan calypso tunes are not simple calypso tunes, folks.

Then you have to listen to waves of complex pan arrangements by some of the best arrangers on the planet.

Then you have to put aside your prejudices or familiarity with any band, and then assign points, not based on how the music affected your senses,but on a pre ordained value system.

As far as I'm concerned, Mission Impossible.

At least in the old days, most of the fans and judges actually knew the source music being played!

well said.

I Full agree with you glenroy.. However, when the current set of judges start doing No. 3on your list. The scores may be more in tune with a possible mission... :)

Must we play fast overxxxbpm..triple xed it for obvious reasons..serious porn here...must we play something that we cant even whistle......imagine you win with music that people wont even remember after carnival.....but one thing I personally can say is that "Prophet of Pan" by Andre and Desperadoes could be whistled by people unlike some other veteran arrangers arrangements....lets get back to the grind with more discipline than ever......DESPERADOES,,,,,,,ANDRE WHITE FOREVER........I guess this was your initiation Andre by the judges....I think they are stuck in the past.....the judges are like shrimp.....everyone knows what is in a shrimps head......for those who did not know......well it is S H I T

There is a call for the retraining of Judges and a call for them to step out of their closed minds to judge music.To really know about judging music you have to know music so that when you hear new music you connect with a chord , the style etc but these judges here are so inadequate in their qualifications, thinking and style of music.What I fear is that they can lead to the demise of a band.Music is Music , and then there are styles of music and innovation in the same music but I think what we have here is safety in judging i.e.they know a boogsie,  they know a Robert Greenidge atc and for me I feel that sometimes it is the arranger on competition not the music of the band.

 

There is a call for the retraining of Judges and a call for them to step out of their closed minds to judge music.To really know about judging music you have to know music so that when you hear new music you connect with a chord , the style etc but these judges here are so inadequate in their qualifications, thinking and style of music.What I fear is that they can lead to the demise of a band.Music is Music , and then there are styles of music and innovation in the same music but I think what we have here is safety in judging i.e.they know a boogsie,  they know a Robert Greenidge etc and for me I feel that sometimes it is the arranger on competition not the music of the band.

 

Len Boogsie Sharpe, is a genius like Bradley ..Jit... Earl Rodney...Ray Holman..Tony Williams...Brian Lara..Russell Latapy...Boogsie Sharpe started playing the bass pans...so he has a clear understanding of the range and features of an entire steelpan orchestra. The judges have been unkind to Phase II, more than any other  modern steel orchestra/ arranger. During 2k10 I was able to acquire a CD of Phase II Panorama Finals performances ..played in the slow timing similar to the legendary "Woman on the Base"/ Curry Tobanca"..no one highlights this musical gift..The ancestral home of pan needs upgrading.

for the judges who dont know music your heads are like stuff shrimps real shitty. despers should have gotten a place in the finals is it because they r from up the hill they didnt get place is still the number one band in the country.

They  not from up d hill again and I feel that should be reversed

 

Now I'd bet if you go to the panyards of the bands that have been eliminated from the panorama, there's no Carnival spirit

.After all the focus and energy spent on Panorama, there's little left for the Carnival.

Great job adjudicators, who delivered qualified, point blank, kudos, great arrangements.

I must agree with Trevor E. Cooper, in the early 80's I spoke out right about the judges that we pan people choose or are told by Pan Trinbago who will be the judges for panorama, Rudy Smith also commented on this issue and we do the same thing every year and then complain,all respect to them[ judges] they don't even have a music school or going around to the pan yards during the year to hear or listening to bands and see what is taking place there but when it comes to panorama we do the same thing and put them back to judge us, so if it takes Desperadoes out of the finals we look for that.

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