About the venue for carnival, I was at the SOCADROME on Carnival Tuesday and I am somewhat in agreement with those who are proposing the Socadrome as an alternative to the Queen's Park Savannah. It will certainly eliminate some of the congestion and allow for a larger audience (additional "bleachers" and a larger stage may be required.) Additionally, some changes will be necessary to the exit since the large trucks had a challenge negotiating the exit from the stage.
Trinidad carnival is diverse, panties, bras, beads and feathers included. The Socadrome is an excellent venue for that diversity to be displayed.
There was no admission charge this year but I will not mind paying a fee if the plan is to increase the number of bands crossing the Socadrome stage in 2017. Don't be surprised if there is an admission fee next year.
What we could copy from the BRAZIL CARNIVAL is the BLOCOS!!! Since Cecil Hinkson is the staunchest PAN SUPPORTER on this forum, the PNM GOVERNMENT should send him down to RIO for CARNAVAL 2018 (for at least two months) to observe and learn about the BLOCOS (forget the Sambódromo) -- just go from BLOCO to BLOCO.
Then from 2019 Carnival we could have STEELBAND BLOCOS all over TRINIDAD starting as early as NOVEMBER and going right through to MIDNIGHT on CARNIVAL TUESDAY.
The PAN LOVERS on this forum should write up a PROPOSAL and get it in the hands of DR. DOLLY!!!
Fellas, allyuh send someone else "ah stop eating out" ah cookin meh own food. All Trini came away from Brazil Carnival with is the nakedness, what they did not see is the flow, a constant flow.
That concept is already there "in principle" with the PAN ON DE AVENUE and that parade that Invaders had and the Laventille event. It just has to be integrated into the CARNIVAL in an organized manner. This year there were over 400 BLOCOS in Rio and one BLOCO drew 400,000 PARADERS.
Why can't we have 40 STEELBAND BLOCOS in Port-of-Spain leading up to the Carnival and culminating at the Carnival? Some tourist could come to Trinidad in January and see PAN ON THE ROAD to their hearts content and it eh even Carnival yet.
The whole idea behind the BLOCOS is to provide CARNAVAL SPACE for the "ORDINARY PEOPLE" who you and MORNING GLORY say are being eliminated from the Carnival -- ESPECIALLY THE STEELBANDS and the SMALL VENDORS.
The Sambódromo draws 90,000 on one night and I am sure by now that is like getting a ticket to the WARRIORS GAMES.
Millions attend the BLOCOS and I am sure that they are saying: This is we thing in their own language!!!
So your dream of PAN ON THE ROAD could be realized by following this BLOCO concept and come Carnival who want to do the BEADS and BRA and think that they are doing BRAZIL, let them have their fun -- let them go their own way. Personally (although I am NEVER EVER going back to TRINIDAD), I wish that they would go to BEADS and NO BRA!!!
People will scream about that but NOBODY got a word to say about the daily KIDNAPPINGS and KILLING of WOMEN and young girls down there.
Rio Carnval is still elaborate and costumed, rich in history and lore, well researched and lovingly executed, the way Trini Mas used to be The 'beads and bra' or just 'beads and pasties' belong to a very specialized part of the presentations : the gyrating women who are part of the ornate floats. They are the 'exclamation marks' in the 'visual story of Mas'. When those are taken out of context and reproduced in Trini Mas- we end up with thousands of exclamation marks and no story. And then we blame Rio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Each Carnival in each country is it's own reality. Even from one town to the next. As a Trinidadian you will always LOVE Trinidad Carnival because of the food and the family and friends and the familiarity and the music. And if you like PAN MUSIC -- better yet for you!!! I love CALYPSO so I am in heaven.
The Brazil Carnaval is very diverse, although it is presented to the world through a narrower lens. And there is so much to see and do in Rio that the Carnaval experience gets blended into a tourist haze (especially with some good Cachaça). The downside is that if you do not speak Portuguese (and I don't) you miss out on so much that it almost feels like a wasted trip (on some levels). You go to the Samba School Yards at night and people are handing you these sheets with the lyrics to their songs and you cannot read Portuguese and when the singers get on stage you cannot understand a word they are singing (but something about that music moves me to tears and I don't know why). If you like lyrics you sure feel like a DUMMY. And the LOCALS look at you like: You don't speak Portuguese? Are you retarded?
New Orleans is a different story because you don't have a language problem and you are in a big American City. And that LIVE JAZZ is beyond anything you will ever hear in your life. The most fascinating thing about that City and Mardi Gras is the musical sounds you hear emanating from all corners of the city as you walk around. It almost feels like ALL AMERICAN MUSIC has its roots in NEW ORLEANS and you could hear the different strains whistling at you. The GUMBO and the MARCHING BANDS and the raucous crowds -- oh what a feeling!!!
CARNIVAL is CARNAVAL is MARDI GRAS!!! Each one is unique! Get the feeling and go with the flow!!!
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About the venue for carnival, I was at the SOCADROME on Carnival Tuesday and I am somewhat in agreement with those who are proposing the Socadrome as an alternative to the Queen's Park Savannah. It will certainly eliminate some of the congestion and allow for a larger audience (additional "bleachers" and a larger stage may be required.) Additionally, some changes will be necessary to the exit since the large trucks had a challenge negotiating the exit from the stage.
Trinidad carnival is diverse, panties, bras, beads and feathers included. The Socadrome is an excellent venue for that diversity to be displayed.
There was no admission charge this year but I will not mind paying a fee if the plan is to increase the number of bands crossing the Socadrome stage in 2017. Don't be surprised if there is an admission fee next year.
What we could copy from the BRAZIL CARNIVAL is the BLOCOS!!! Since Cecil Hinkson is the staunchest PAN SUPPORTER on this forum, the PNM GOVERNMENT should send him down to RIO for CARNAVAL 2018 (for at least two months) to observe and learn about the BLOCOS (forget the Sambódromo) -- just go from BLOCO to BLOCO.
Then from 2019 Carnival we could have STEELBAND BLOCOS all over TRINIDAD starting as early as NOVEMBER and going right through to MIDNIGHT on CARNIVAL TUESDAY.
The PAN LOVERS on this forum should write up a PROPOSAL and get it in the hands of DR. DOLLY!!!
Send Cecil to 'eat ah food'
Fellas, allyuh send someone else "ah stop eating out" ah cookin meh own food. All Trini came away from Brazil Carnival with is the nakedness, what they did not see is the flow, a constant flow.
That concept is already there "in principle" with the PAN ON DE AVENUE and that parade that Invaders had and the Laventille event. It just has to be integrated into the CARNIVAL in an organized manner. This year there were over 400 BLOCOS in Rio and one BLOCO drew 400,000 PARADERS.
Why can't we have 40 STEELBAND BLOCOS in Port-of-Spain leading up to the Carnival and culminating at the Carnival? Some tourist could come to Trinidad in January and see PAN ON THE ROAD to their hearts content and it eh even Carnival yet.
The whole idea behind the BLOCOS is to provide CARNAVAL SPACE for the "ORDINARY PEOPLE" who you and MORNING GLORY say are being eliminated from the Carnival -- ESPECIALLY THE STEELBANDS and the SMALL VENDORS.
The Sambódromo draws 90,000 on one night and I am sure by now that is like getting a ticket to the WARRIORS GAMES.
Millions attend the BLOCOS and I am sure that they are saying: This is we thing in their own language!!!
So your dream of PAN ON THE ROAD could be realized by following this BLOCO concept and come Carnival who want to do the BEADS and BRA and think that they are doing BRAZIL, let them have their fun -- let them go their own way. Personally (although I am NEVER EVER going back to TRINIDAD), I wish that they would go to BEADS and NO BRA!!!
People will scream about that but NOBODY got a word to say about the daily KIDNAPPINGS and KILLING of WOMEN and young girls down there.
Rio Carnval is still elaborate and costumed, rich in history and lore, well researched and lovingly executed, the way Trini Mas used to be The 'beads and bra' or just 'beads and pasties' belong to a very specialized part of the presentations : the gyrating women who are part of the ornate floats. They are the 'exclamation marks' in the 'visual story of Mas'. When those are taken out of context and reproduced in Trini Mas- we end up with thousands of exclamation marks and no story. And then we blame Rio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Each Carnival in each country is it's own reality. Even from one town to the next. As a Trinidadian you will always LOVE Trinidad Carnival because of the food and the family and friends and the familiarity and the music. And if you like PAN MUSIC -- better yet for you!!! I love CALYPSO so I am in heaven.
The Brazil Carnaval is very diverse, although it is presented to the world through a narrower lens. And there is so much to see and do in Rio that the Carnaval experience gets blended into a tourist haze (especially with some good Cachaça). The downside is that if you do not speak Portuguese (and I don't) you miss out on so much that it almost feels like a wasted trip (on some levels). You go to the Samba School Yards at night and people are handing you these sheets with the lyrics to their songs and you cannot read Portuguese and when the singers get on stage you cannot understand a word they are singing (but something about that music moves me to tears and I don't know why). If you like lyrics you sure feel like a DUMMY. And the LOCALS look at you like: You don't speak Portuguese? Are you retarded?
New Orleans is a different story because you don't have a language problem and you are in a big American City. And that LIVE JAZZ is beyond anything you will ever hear in your life. The most fascinating thing about that City and Mardi Gras is the musical sounds you hear emanating from all corners of the city as you walk around. It almost feels like ALL AMERICAN MUSIC has its roots in NEW ORLEANS and you could hear the different strains whistling at you. The GUMBO and the MARCHING BANDS and the raucous crowds -- oh what a feeling!!!
CARNIVAL is CARNAVAL is MARDI GRAS!!! Each one is unique! Get the feeling and go with the flow!!!
Trinis live approx. 7 miles away from Venezuela and can't speak Spanish! What going on here?
Carnival Brazil Sao Paulo - More Than Beads and Feathers
Sound like parang to me.
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