Theron Urbano wrote:
"How can New York Pan Fraternity deprive these kids and this band from panorama. This question is very puzzling to me. I am an American Soldier who took my Pan to War. I could be an ambassador for our instrument and yet in still my kids are being told to go home and come back next year for Panorama. What S%$t is that. Is it because our band manger is a female. What is it? I have yet to get a definitive answer as to why or why not our band Steel X Plosion cannot participate in this year's panorama.
"We have a pan yard.. We have players... We have a tune.. We have our own management team. Is it fair to have these kids practicing and parents sacrificing in vain. I have checked your website [WIADCA] and there is no paperwork on (SOP) Standard Operating Procedures or no memos concerning when to register for panorama.
"You have bands dropping out and yet in still you wont let another band replace them? This is an outrage. I thought that we want to preserve heritage and pass it on to the younger generation not keep it stagnant. I remember being in Iraq with my pan and getting panorama updates from When steel talks and even publishing my story there as well. http://www.panonthenet.com/spotlight/iraqUrbano.htm
"I came back to the states from Germany and said if I ever get the chance to be close to NY my son and my daughter will play. Well Mr. Thomas Bailey please come to our pan yard located at 5601 Preston Ct between 56th and Ralph in Brooklyn and tell the band parents and children to go home and come back next year.
"Band from Canada could play but not we. (Nothing against Pan Fantasy).
"I encourage pan unity. If it was a band from Norway or Switzerland would they get the same treatment that we are?
"I applaud young Arrangers such as Freddy Harris III Odie Franklin Andre White Khuent Rose Iman Pascall Earl Brooks Jr. and Foster. You guys will take pan into the next generation. Tameeka Garcia you are a strong band manager and I thank you for all your hard work in trying to get this band on the stage. You should not have to put up this much fight to get a band on stage since you didn't break any laws. To the parents thank you for the support. Now we have to raise that support shield a little higher.
"It seems like the badjohns stop playing man and move to the governing body. Tanty Bevy and Uncle Earl I didn't know that pan was more so for the politics than the music. Then they want to know why people don’t come out to NY band launches. I want WIADCA to tell us why the decision taken at a recent Panorama Committee meeting should remain in effect is a sufficient answer to why we can’t play.
"A Panorama Committee meeting without representation from our band. Why are we not even allowed an audience with this so called panorama committee. Everything is email and he says she says. MAN UP MR BAILEY. IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OUR BAND, OUR BRAND, AND THE WAY WE DO THINGS; COME TELL US OR CALL US INTO YOUR OFFICE LIKE A REAL PRESIDENT, CEO, CHAIRMAN OF SAID PANORAMA COMMITTEE OR WHATEVER YOUR TITLE MAY BE.
"At the end of the day I have to explain to my kids why they lost a summer practicing pan that they may or may not play. That is rellllllll S%4t… When Steel Talks put it out on your forum. Somebody need to take a look at this. It is really sad when I have to get Senators involved."
Do like Diaz and tie dem up in the court. You could shut down the whole panorama and NO BANDS will get to play!
Let 'em in! "If priest could play...."
Let them play.
I don't know all the details since I have not been in any meetings with WIADCA or the USSA, but what I can say is, that it's a shame this band isn't allowed to play. Again, I don't know all the details, so I can't say more on that.
However, this is what the majority of the bands opted for when they decided to go back to WIADCA, it's a shame, but things like this have been happening for a long time, so we shouldn't be surprised. Whether the problem is the sound system, poor toilet facilities, a lack of transparency, etc....the bands will continue to run back to WIADCA for more beating.
Just think about this for a while...If a steelband played for Panorama and placed outside of the top three, they would quickly find themselves in debt, after paying the tuner, the arranger, rent for practice space and transportation for the Pans. So what do the bands do? They put on fundraisers, which they call, "BAND LAUNCHES", to raise funds in order to cut costs....folks, this is utter madness. It's for reasons like this, why steelbands have no money and no property to call their own. What they need to do is charge WIADCA a fee that at a minimum, matches their expenses, then that way when they put on a fundraiser, they can bank that money.
Sorry for the rant, but the bands don't realize the power they have, if they stick together...my suggestion is to bring this matter to the attention of the USSA and take it from there.
I told myself I was not going to respond to this post, but after my name that of other officers and the organization was being wrongfully portrayed, I had to.
A footnote to this. I actively stop playing pan in 1987, I left as the Vice-Captain to voluntary my time with a kids band no one knew exited, I did that for twenty-six until 2010, 2010 was the first and only year I received a salary for those services, I have cried with them for them, I have scolded them when they needed it and have loved them always, I have seen them grow into mature and responsibly adults with families of their own. I actively started working on behalf of steelbands in 1978 at the age of eighteen. So, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO TALK ABOUT ME ABOUT PAN AND KIDS AND CAREING FOR THEM? There are a lot of people out there that have done more and have suffered unbearable things, lost of marriage, home just to name a few. WHO ARE YOU TO CALL THEM OUT LIKE THIS? I respect the fact that you chose to be a soldier, thats admirable. But you shouldn't write about things and people unless you have all the facts. What you have wrote can enflame a very fragile community, and it was irresponsible of you. There are way to many people out there that are willing to use these opportunities to further separate and keep the pan community divided.
Once again USSA will hold a forum the Saturday after Labor day to discuss " How we can save pan in New York" the place and time will be announced soon. I am open to anyone for discussions. My number is (347) 522-4010.
Keith, you did the right thing , thanks for responding.
Mr Marcelle, these are kids, and I am wondering if a compromise of some sorts can be made somewhere to have them maybe as Guest Artistes at your NY Panorama 2013? I don't think this will hurt, will it? Its good to encourage the youth in Steelpan. Slap them on their wrists as a discipline yes, but encourage them too. I think that gesture will go a long way for the Steelband Movement in NY. Do you?
Bertel: There are obviously more undercurrents than meets the pages of the forum. Ah doh think X-PLOSION go be in that panorama.
This was recommended by one of the band leaders but again time was a factor. Arrangements for a guest performing were probable made as early as May, because the first week of June flyers were out with the name of the guest band. Just to address the issue of kids I do understand, last year the Canada band had to with draw from the panorama two weeks before, their kids were hurt because coming to New York to perform for the panorama was like going to Trinidad. But they persevered and by all counts will be here this year. and again, those kids of Steel Explosion do have the opportunity to perform with other bands, remember these players are actually Sesame Flyers players, or so I was told by their management. So a question. Is the emphasis for them, really about the kids playing for panorama or that the name Steel Explosion appears for panorama?