It appears that this site has been hacked. That's what you get when you don't take security seriously.
for Godsake Trinis please be a bit more professional in what you do. The WORLD HAS CHANGED do not be so naive as to think it won't happen to you.
Randisc
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The site says it's down for maintenance, which should come as no surprise since PanTrinbago is under new leadership.
Did you see something that indicates it was hacked?
Randi Curvan > GospelPanDecember 27, 2009 at 6:06pm
OK I see I'm dealing with the sceptics, that's alright.no harm done Let's hope that somebody from either the web site hosts or Pantrinbago themselves has the honesty to admit the turkish graffiti was there and has been removed or they are still trying to remove it or as sometimes is the way a new site will be opened up when data has been transferred.
God Bless
GospelPan > Randi CurvanDecember 28, 2009 at 2:14pm
I have to agree with Catt on this...IF the site was hacked, you cannot automatically assume the fault lies with PanTrinbago unless you know for a fact that they host their own website on their own servers, which I doubt.
Most websites that you see on the Internet are hosted by a hosting company because the average user doesn't have the technical know-how to setup their own servers and even if they did, they don't want to be bothered with maintenance, upgrades, troubleshooting, etc. that comes with hosting your own site.
Sometimes we need to give PanTrinbago the benefit of the doubt, they are not perfect by any stretch of imagination, but let's not blame them for everything.
UPDATE:
I just did some research, which confirms PanTrinbago do not host their own website, so it was wrong of you to place the blame at their door when the blame lies at the feet of their hosting company.
Randi Curvan > GospelPanDecember 28, 2009 at 6:24pm
OK one last try.
So you have no house, you live in a gated community or hotel with guards (security personell) round the clock.
You arrive at your place of residence and you don't see a soul.
Do you
1 go to bed and think nothing of it?
2 ask around to see if something is wrong?
3 make sure the management is aware of the situation?
All I'm saying is even if someone else is hosting your website it is still yours. You are responsible for your own public face no one else . You are just renting bloody server space. You are still responsible for the content. Unless you are totally leaving it to someone else to choose what you show the world.
It is best practice to have someone in your organisation responsible for monitoring your website you don't leave it to others. That is naive and unprofessional.
If there had been a technical glitch expirienced internally , then the entire main page content would not have gone missing; being replaced by Turkish words in a totally different font.
Wake up! it happens daily! to most sites they are constantly hit to see if there is a way in.
Trust me I know
But hey this is a pan site so let the music play
Happy New Year
GospelPan > Randi CurvanDecember 29, 2009 at 12:15am
Again, I have to agree with Catt 100%...
Randisc, you've made several assumptions about PanTrinbago, which is dangerous; you even assume that they don't have someone monitoring the site on a daily basis. You also assume they don't take security seriously simply because their site may have been hacked. The truth of the matter is that it makes more sense to accuse the hosting company of not taking security seriously, than to blame a client.
I have been in the web business for many years and I have never heard of a client being blamed for a lack of security by a hosting company...it just doesn't make sense, no matter how you slice it.
Finally, you seem convinced that because you saw Turkish words on the homepage that the site was indeed hacked, but that is yet another assumption.
PanTrinbago uses a CMS (Content Management System) called "Joomla", which is a template based publishing tool written primarily in PHP. They may have been in the process of updating the homepage by replacing an existing template with a new one, which can easily cause the problem you witnessed. Maybe the they forgot to apply the correct style sheet or js file...who knows...sometimes upgrades where you replace templates, can cause an entire homepage to disappear, if it's not done right....
I can see that the PanTrinbago homepage has been updated with fresh content, so maybe what you thought was a hack, was actually the first stages of an update that went wrong and was quickly corrected. Whatever the case...it's not good to make assumptions.
True man this is a pan site, so let's let the music play.
Happy New Year
ha! OK do you know anything about web design or hosting?
it is hardly 'naive and unprofessional' - it is COMMON business practice to delegate the technical design and management of a website to a host service. the majority of businesses do it.
so the site may have been down for what - 3 hours? whether it was hacked, or whether the host service had technical difficulties, either way, someone DID notice it and got it fixed in a matter of a few hours. whatever the problem was, it was rectified in a timely manner.
hardly worth getting ones baggy in a knot about, complete with the sanctimonius lecturing.
the home management analogy doesn't work, it is not relevant. a website is not someones' personal space. nor is a house produced by bits & bytes of machine language.
YOU wake up. standard practice is to use a host service and standard also, is that computer-related work can and does have tech issues once in a while. It happens to organizations far bigger than PanTrinbago; has happened to Google, Oprah's website, Twitter, it can happen to any web host or site. it's SOP with computers.
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its not a matter of skeptics. it's an objection to the automatic negative assumption.
sure it might could be hackers, but also could easily be normal technical glitches. nothing that anyone has to 'admit to' - Just something that sometimes happens in web design. especially when changing or updating a website. is a small thing man.
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Did you see something that indicates it was hacked?
God Bless
Most websites that you see on the Internet are hosted by a hosting company because the average user doesn't have the technical know-how to setup their own servers and even if they did, they don't want to be bothered with maintenance, upgrades, troubleshooting, etc. that comes with hosting your own site.
Sometimes we need to give PanTrinbago the benefit of the doubt, they are not perfect by any stretch of imagination, but let's not blame them for everything.
UPDATE:
I just did some research, which confirms PanTrinbago do not host their own website, so it was wrong of you to place the blame at their door when the blame lies at the feet of their hosting company.
Referral URL: http://www.wildwestdomains.com
Name Server: ns51.domaincontrol.com
So you have no house, you live in a gated community or hotel with guards (security personell) round the clock.
You arrive at your place of residence and you don't see a soul.
Do you
1 go to bed and think nothing of it?
2 ask around to see if something is wrong?
3 make sure the management is aware of the situation?
All I'm saying is even if someone else is hosting your website it is still yours. You are responsible for your own public face no one else . You are just renting bloody server space. You are still responsible for the content. Unless you are totally leaving it to someone else to choose what you show the world.
It is best practice to have someone in your organisation responsible for monitoring your website you don't leave it to others. That is naive and unprofessional.
If there had been a technical glitch expirienced internally , then the entire main page content would not have gone missing; being replaced by Turkish words in a totally different font.
Wake up! it happens daily! to most sites they are constantly hit to see if there is a way in.
Trust me I know
But hey this is a pan site so let the music play
Happy New Year
Randisc, you've made several assumptions about PanTrinbago, which is dangerous; you even assume that they don't have someone monitoring the site on a daily basis. You also assume they don't take security seriously simply because their site may have been hacked. The truth of the matter is that it makes more sense to accuse the hosting company of not taking security seriously, than to blame a client.
I have been in the web business for many years and I have never heard of a client being blamed for a lack of security by a hosting company...it just doesn't make sense, no matter how you slice it.
Finally, you seem convinced that because you saw Turkish words on the homepage that the site was indeed hacked, but that is yet another assumption.
PanTrinbago uses a CMS (Content Management System) called "Joomla", which is a template based publishing tool written primarily in PHP. They may have been in the process of updating the homepage by replacing an existing template with a new one, which can easily cause the problem you witnessed. Maybe the they forgot to apply the correct style sheet or js file...who knows...sometimes upgrades where you replace templates, can cause an entire homepage to disappear, if it's not done right....
I can see that the PanTrinbago homepage has been updated with fresh content, so maybe what you thought was a hack, was actually the first stages of an update that went wrong and was quickly corrected. Whatever the case...it's not good to make assumptions.
True man this is a pan site, so let's let the music play.
Happy New Year
it is hardly 'naive and unprofessional' - it is COMMON business practice to delegate the technical design and management of a website to a host service. the majority of businesses do it.
so the site may have been down for what - 3 hours? whether it was hacked, or whether the host service had technical difficulties, either way, someone DID notice it and got it fixed in a matter of a few hours. whatever the problem was, it was rectified in a timely manner.
hardly worth getting ones baggy in a knot about, complete with the sanctimonius lecturing.
the home management analogy doesn't work, it is not relevant. a website is not someones' personal space. nor is a house produced by bits & bytes of machine language.
YOU wake up. standard practice is to use a host service and standard also, is that computer-related work can and does have tech issues once in a while. It happens to organizations far bigger than PanTrinbago; has happened to Google, Oprah's website, Twitter, it can happen to any web host or site. it's SOP with computers.
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Glad so many of you are quick to come to Pantrinbago's defence.
There is love out there
Randisc
sure it might could be hackers, but also could easily be normal technical glitches. nothing that anyone has to 'admit to' - Just something that sometimes happens in web design. especially when changing or updating a website. is a small thing man.
maybe they're re-designing the site - maybe they took it down for maintenance - maybe they are adding features.
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isn't it kinda jumpin the gun to just assume it's something negative or unprofessional - ?
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