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Has pan out grown trinidad & tobago?

has it really outgrown us?

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Comment by Sweet Eustace on September 3, 2010 at 3:55pm
yeah he have promise but needs to work on voicing and needs some help with the execution, like a drill master that understand what he is doing , i am disapointed with what i see from new york looks like the individual panplayers are headed some where, the younger players are however not paying attention to the veterans, and need to, some small groups are doing ok the 3, 4 and 5 packs ok on you tube but the steelbands, especially the school bands and the caribbean community steelbands too noisy, no directions forced ripeed arrangers etc and the white American tuners are so focused on hustling a dollar they cyar seem to get volume on their bases, at all a pan player from switzerland told me the bases there sound like boink, how do we encourge people to get out of that star boy and demi god mentality in bands so the pan can cet to the next level man in the street (who know nuten bout steelband) say it too noisy
Comment by Sweet Eustace on September 3, 2010 at 3:43pm
doh start it back glenroy ah had some set backs so ah missing the whole north baccannal we might ketch up in miami glenroy give me a shout papa and post some jourvert videos
Comment by Glenroy R Joseph on September 3, 2010 at 1:11pm
Big Sid, allyuh went so far off base with all that religious talk, it wasn't even funny.

Allyuh kill the dam thing!

This space is about music and culture, man, not about religion
Comment by S. F. Thomas on September 3, 2010 at 1:54am
I think it ended all by itself. I was too busy traveling to notice. Anyway, maybe the original poster could summarize. That might start it back up again. Heh heh.

-- Big Sid

PS. On another topic I was watching some of what was produced at the London Panorama this year. That boy Andre White is showing a lot of promise. And I was surprised at the Trini-ness of the syncopation produced by this group http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XzfUnuvLsw . In contrast to them, a lot of the American university bands seem to get all jumpy with the Trini syncopation and seem to always be off by a fraction. For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knhpIVx7yyM . Why is that? Is that what university does to musicians? Do they somehow lose the plot and forget what music is really all about?
Comment by Sweet Eustace on September 1, 2010 at 3:26pm
did I close the blog, ah sorry
Comment by Sweet Eustace on August 17, 2010 at 9:16am
Big Sid I have no objection to anything I believe in freedom of speach, just got off from reading a silly debate, and looking at some pan Videos, as leaders in pan we still need to learn to market ourselves begining with the way we express our selves, musically and verbally, looking at some classic panorama videos, I myself is amazed at the high quality of musicianship displayed in a real vintage performance,even the clasics might have bethoven, mozart , bach and others crying in their graves wishing pan was around in their times, I find my self chuckling to my self with a "steve Urkell" remark "Did I do that?", then I see some of our todays crackshots and with their high skill level they jus dambllaying on the pan running their hands and not really making a proper musical response, if the soloists can play the way we all do during a vintage panorama or festival people will take us seriously, I get some of your points, but when you comment in public people are not allways in tune with stuff that is above their heads, politics and religon does that, and we are on the World wide web not Woodford square, and even in woodford square the easiest way to break up a blag is to go over people's heads, when we representing we need to stay on earth, so we can be followed, sometimes temptation to divert is there but we got this far keeping it simple stupid , our next step needs to be same, as Ray holman would say "if you cyar whistle, hum or mouth it it has no effect playing it" addressing pan has to be done meticulously, I was cancelled from a gig that a guitarist tried to have me fill in, quote the people "we do not want any pan in our party, we tried it and you pan people do not know to conduct yourselves" peter pay for paul and paul pay for all, we need to get Professional training for our Ambasadors is a good step forward for regrowth,
Comment by S. F. Thomas on August 16, 2010 at 1:44pm
Regarding this government and its pan and culture policy: As I said before, and say again, we shall see what we shall see, as the prophetic forces play themselves out. These are real. There is a limit to the commercialization of culture, beyond which you "kill the goose".This UNC crowd and their money culture, has no sensitivity to where that limit might be. They are blinded by the $ billions they think can be made, and the VOTES they think they can buy. That's why they feel it necessary to play the race card, and to rebrand the previous government as having a "slave master mentality". They want permanently to separate the pan and culture fraternity from its traditional PNM loyalties. As I recall it was PNM that said "Massa day done!" and followed up with decisive policies particularly in the education sector, of which Kamla Persad Bissessar is one beneficiary. It was Eric Williams that took back Chaguaramas. Why black people are still cast down is because of prophecy -- the Israelite sufferah has been put under a curse, by the most High God, Yahweh, because we are a special people unto him, and have been disobedient. Redemption is also promised for some of us -- those who will repent the sins of our forefathers, repent our own sin, and return unto Yahweh. It's that simple. Neither Eric Williams nor the PNM which he founded can redeem us from that curse, only Yahweh can. For sure the UNC and its party of parties, not only cannot do so, but will not even try. Their agenda is to permanently emasculate the PNM, and separate it from all its traditional bases of support. Hence there is the more or less transparent attempt to paint the PNM as having a "slave master mentality", and to dangle dollars before the culture community to buy votes. This will of course feed in to the desire of panmen to have a payday. So we shall see what we shall see.

Those who love the culture for its own sake, should be on their guard. The Philistines also sought to separate Samson from his strength. At least Samson knew where it lay:

Judges 16:17: "... There hath not come a razor upon mine head; for I have been a Nazarite unto God from my mother's womb: if I be shaven, then my strength will go from me, and I shall become weak, and be like any other man."

My question: does the pan fraternity know that some of what is sliding in on this government's pan and culture policy will amount to shaving off its locks, and becoming cultural playthings of such as, who was it, Donald Trump? I cannot willingly go for that.

Regarding A. King's and Sweet Eustace's objections, my only response is I have no desire to draw anyone into anything they do not have a wish to be drawn into. I am happy to leave politics and religion to one side. However, I will not leave unaddressed what I consider to be political and religious and spiritual and philosophical untruths used as a sliding carpet of BS on which to advance this government's culture policies. No one has to agree with me, but please don't try to place any prior restraint on how I choose to make my points. Every reader has a kill switch. Use it if you're tired of the thread, and ignore my comment if you are tired of me. Trust me, I won't be offended.

-- Big Sid

Jeremiah 50:37: "... and they shall become as women: a sword is upon her treasures; and they shall be robbed."
Comment by Sweet Eustace on August 16, 2010 at 3:24am
A King go easy on yourself, presure does buss pipe, and sterotyping is one of the things that is stiffiling the growth of pan all these "you all" talk is words of insecure minds, it is bad enough that our "National instrument " is still being seen as a novelty, and when they look at our Icons, no evidence to suppourt our claims comes forth to satisfy the movers and shakers of the music industry and its supporters to grant it its proper homage, if a stranger gets on this blog they see our colliquailism, we still need to show our trini peers that we overs the badjohn mentality, even though you read a lot of ignorant chatter on American blogs they are an established world power, we are not and need the support from all our people's at home and abroad,as we say since you proud of yuh heritage "ketch yuh self" so Big Sid and Sidd get their chains easily rattled they done with it now you start if you on pan stay dey my philosopsy is pan related, I was drawing an analagy to show how silly the labeling thing is, that is one of our problems "communication amongst peers"
Comment by A King on August 15, 2010 at 5:41pm
I would not be drawn into a discussion with you all. There is no discussing when it comes to belief. My pointis very simple we are ona forum about steelband and I can understand it drifting off course to religion and philosophy. But what we have istons of the same religous stuff. Take that to another forum rather than ursurping this space. You guys can believe what ever you want to believe. Yes I said we because one must recogonise there history and heritage.I am not ashamed to be a West Indian. Man know thyself
Comment by Sweet Eustace on August 15, 2010 at 5:04pm
resist the temptation Big Sid, note he used the word "we" so he is talking to himself and others (who might be he, himself and himself) A. King (just messing with you, on pun intended) one thing I learnt in life is that "in order to throw mess at anybody one has to first pick it up and will be just as filthy as their intended victim" ( it might be a Eustace quote or it might already be out there) point is the authors of insults are the first persons to consider it derogitory or demeaning

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